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For someone that grew up on the whole James Bond series, just the name Walther conjures up scenes of adventure with spies, bad guys and beautiful women (though Bond's Pistol was a PPK and later, a P99 being carried in the Brosnan and early Craig films).Howdy, My buddy just purchused a 1938 date Walther P 38, is there a place on the internet where I can look up WW2 German manufactures codes?? I'm NOT a P-38 history expert, but I've seen several French assembled P-38 with the Nazi proof stamps. The slide has had all the left side markings except P.38 buffed off and then renumbered to. I have a Walther P38 pistol in very good condition. I would like to know more about the pistol, it's value and history. Markings on the left slide side are P38 byf with 43 just beneath the byf then 8200 d.
Walther, founded by Carl Walther, is one of the oldest firearms manufacturers in the world with a history of producing quality firearms pieces, starting with a little gun shop in the town of Zella, Germany. At first they just produced shotguns and rifles, but Carl's son brought his engineering acumen to the family business, expanding their production to pistols. The predecessor of the P1 is one that more of you will be familiar with, the famous P38 Model HP (Heerespistole - army pistol) in the late 30's. It's roots were in pre-war Nazi Germany, when the German Army High Command wanted German arms manufactures to develop something of the large-caliber variety to replace the P.08 Luger. The Luger was a fine piece but it was also costly and difficult to manufacture. The goal was a pistol less labor intensive, one easy to assemble and reassemble, preferably one that could be produced by multiple manufacturers if needed, with interchangeable parts among them all. Frankly, pistols don't have the biggest role to play in winning a war, but equipping your armed forces with a hand fitted, expensive pistol didn't make a lot of sense. Therefore, the High Command wanted something revolutionary in design and concept that was easier and cheaper to produce.
About this time. Walther had completed its Model HP for worldwide distribution, giving them a big of a leg up on the competitors in Germany, winning the High Commands approval in 1938, with small numbers of the original HP bought by Sweden before the Wehrmacht adopted it as the Pistole 38 and took over all production guns. The term 38 wasn't used as the designator on the commercial firearms, but was known as MOD HP until later in the war, when a few came up marked as MOD P.38, taking advantage of the identity of the military pistol.
Like the Luger, it had an eight round magazine and fired the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge. Unlike the Luger it was one of the first double action semi-auto pistols fielded to a military force. It seems commonplace to you and I but it was a unique concept back them, wherein a soldier could carry with a round in the chamber, hammer down, and all he had to do to use his weapon was pull the trigger. Certainly it was a longer, heavier pull, than a single action, but when your life is on the line, either offensive or defensive, simple is good. (of course, after the first double action pull, the pistol cocks itself automatically and subsequent rounds are single action).
In late 1941, Mauser and Spreewerke began production of the P.38 and its place in firearm history was a matter of record, with over a million produced from 1939 to 1945 by three companies, each having their own distinct markings and variations.
We all know how the War turned out for Germany. My Dad was over in England with the 8th Air Force while they bombed the heck out of them in Liberators. After the bombing campaigns and the end of the war, manufacturing capabilities of the country were about obliterated, with the Walther factory destroyed, even as the patents, know-how and a lot of the people involved, survived. After the war, most of the ex-Walther machinery ended up in France as war reparations, and you will find that many post-war P38 pistols were actually built in France by the Manurhin factory. But Germany was not down and out in the P38 market.
As the Federal Republic of Germany rose out of the ashes (with a lot of Allied help), Walther retooled and modified this old warhorse, replacing the all steel frame of the P.38 with a lighter aluminum alloy frame. It defied the traditional German tradition of re-inventing adesign but rather, built on a proven formula. This 'new' pistol was produced, though I don't believe it was named P1 until much later, with not only a aluminum alloy frame, but improved sites and a few other minor modifications.
The post-war P1 versions were less than popular in the Armed Forces ( Bundesweh), given the unofficial description of “eight warning shots plus one aimed throw”. Although revolutionary, the design was also over thought, with the P38 pistol having eleven springs (most of a size that if you drop one you will never find it) which is about double what the older Luger had that it replaced. Small parts and pins that are easy to lose during full disassembly doesn't make for a popular piece. Add in an intricately shaped firing pin that easily broke, well, it was only a matter of time before other firearms replaced it.
My Dad survived the war, came back, got married, and late into the Cold War, was taken off guard when my Mom said 'let's adopt some kids'. The Cold War didn't seem so bad after taking on two redheaded little ones in middle age, but I don't think his generation ever let their guard down. The Cold War certainly changed some things, where the Soviets, formally allies (of convenience perhaps, sort of like your cat) were now a threat. West Germany was a new country needing many things, but not needing a million communists strolling through the Fulda Gap without as much as a RSVP, and a well equipped military force was suddenly on the agenda again.
Somewhere in there, it came time for a new sidearm and the P1 was surplussed. Many were rebuilt, given a slide and hex pin upgrade and found their way to the United States as 'obsolete' firearms, where a firearm buyer can get one for a surprisingly low price, many not seeing a lot of action, not even that well aimed throw, and being in decent shape.
Buying One - P38 versus P1.
There are a lot of P38's out there, several governments gaining possession of large quantities of them for their own military and police agencies post WWII. Many of these have been reworked with both original and new component parts, with the former USSR being the primary source of reworked P.38's. Many of them have similarly been refinished and re-proofed by a number of other countries. If you're looking at a collectors piece, you need to examine the firearm very carefully to determine if it's original German military issue before you pay the price for one. (Hey, here's an 'original' German P.38 painted in the colors of Paraquay for only $159.99!)
Post War, the P.38 and P.1 both designated pistols for the police forces and armed forces and post war, they were pretty much identical, including the frame. It's a common misconception that the .38's all have steel frames, as far as I know, only those manufactured under the Third Reich and a small handful assembled by the French immediately after the war using 'boosted' German parts did so. With just one exception, I've heard, the post war Walther P.38's have the same basic frame as the P1. If you're not careful you can spend $200 more just for the name P.38 when it still has the aluminum frame without the steel reinforcing lug in the frame, better slide, and other improvements made in later model P1's.
The Range Report:
This little model is NOT one of the bashed together Soviet remakes. It was born sometime in the 70's.
Frankly it is more accurate than expected. With an aluminum frame, five inch barrel and a slide that's not all that long, there's a bit more 'snap' to it than the old all-steel .38. Still, with a feel that's a bit 'bottom heavy', the muzzle flip will be less than you expect. This one does have the reinforcing steel 'hex pin' in the frame to provide additional strength (it was found that the aluminum frame developed cracks in the most highly stressed area, where the locking piece and barrel were slamming against it on recoil, so the frames of late production pistols were reinforced with the addition of this hexagonal cross-pin) but that is more for overall strength than stability.
If you have small hands, you might find the grip a bit wide, but that being said, it does spread the recoil out nicely.
Would it win a target contest with a Makarov PM? Maybe not, but you won't embarrass yourself wondering how your target jumped out of the way of your bullet. I wouldn't recommend +P high pressure self defense ammo through this firearm; if you want something in 9 mm you can boss around, belittle and make it get you a beer, get a Glock. If you want something inexpensive with a taste of history that's all warm and fuzzy with a box of white box ammo, you'll like it.
This is indeed your grandfather's double action: The trigger has an exposed hammer and trigger bar (the link between the trigger and sear) unusually located outside of the frame at the right side. It's not a modern design, so while it's pretty smooth, there is a bit of stacking and I'd guess the trigger pull of double action is near 10 pounds. The single action is nice and crisp and about half that by way of trigger pull, making it a decent 'service pistol' though. Feeding between the magazine and chamber is fairly shallow, but it ate a white box of .115 without burping.
Sight Picture - if I didn't get a great grouping it wasn't due to the sight picture.
Safeties: The standard safety also functions as a decocker and is located at the left side of the slide. It's easy to manipulate and reach with your thumb. That being said, if you are used to a 1911, you may well find yourself flipping it to safe and then pulling the trigger as the positions are backwards.(or so I've heard :-)
I'd give my left arm to be ambidextrous: The mag release, one of those European anomalies we Yankees just don't get used to (sort of the bidet of releases) is the long standing heal clip type. Maybe one eventually gets used to it, but it certainly didn't do wonders for reloads (but then again compared to a Czech CZ52 it's positively Speedy Gonzales).
You might want to stand over there -You will find extractor is on the left side of the gun, so the brass gets flung in the opposite direction of most autos. 'Fore!'
Magazines were single-stack, with the magazine release located at the heel of the grip. This came with one, I'm not sure how hard it will be to find additional ones.
The pistols were also fitted with a loaded chamber indicator in the form of a small pin that projected from the rear of the slide, above the hammer, when a cartridge was loaded in the chamber. It wasn't distracting, and it seemed to work.
Clean up: it appears to be fairly easy to clean and maintain, but keep tabs of the parts of you're doing a full disassemble. .But don't let it mate with your Mark III, the resulting offspring, might be a handful to field strip.
Does This Make my Slide Look Fat? In the 70's, when this particular firearm originated, Walther incorporated several important design improvements into the P.1 in addition to the hex pin. This included a somewhat thicker sidewall on a section of the slide (commonly referred to as a 'fat slide' though frankly, at a glance, I couldn't tell the difference). If you have bigger hands (mine are quite large for a female, with long slender fingers) with a high thumb grip - watch the bottom edge of the slide. It won't bite you but it will try and give you a hickey.
The fit and finish of the pistol is as what one expects from Walther, with a level of care in the machining, and a nice even finish, though it's more of a utilitarian parkerized finish than the high polished blued finish of the PP and PPK's that was second to none. It's also not particularly concealable, but it's not going to be a piece for that. It's not likely to be my favorite firearm either. But for a little spot of history to practice pistol basics such as trigger squeeze and sight alignment in the $300 range, it's worth a spot in the safe.
If you're interested I'd be on the lookout for one now. The firearm is said to be eligible as a Curio and Relics by the BATF, though they have said they have not updated the list to include it. That would be worth checking out if you have a FFL03 license, especially given current rumor has it that Germany is destroying the remaining stocks of P1's as part of the UN arms agreement. I have no source to verify the rumor but if it's true, these inexpensive little curios might sell like an AR15 after a filibuster. If your only plans for it are a little piece of history to remind us of what fighting is all about, it might well be a nice little addition to your collection while they are still available at a more than reasonable price.
Walther P38 | |
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Type | Semi-automatic pistol |
Place of origin | Germany |
Service history | |
In service | 1938–present |
Used by | See Users |
Wars | World War II[1] Indochina War[2] Algerian War[2] Portuguese Colonial War Vietnam War (Limited)[3] War in Afghanistan Iraqi Civil War (2014-2017) (P1) |
Production history | |
Designed | 1938 |
Manufacturer | Carl Walther Waffenfabrik, Mauser Werke, Spreewerk |
Unit cost | 32 RM (1943) 110 EUR current equivalent |
Produced | Walther P38 1939-1945 Pistole P1 1957-2000 |
No. built | ~1,000,000 [1] |
Variants | HP, P1, P38K, P38 SD, P4 |
Specifications | |
Length | 216 mm (8.5 in) |
Barrel length | 125 mm (4.9 in) |
Cartridge | 9×19mm Parabellum |
Caliber | 0.355 inches (9.0 mm)[4] |
Action | Short recoil, locked breech |
Muzzle velocity | 1,050 ft/s (320 m/s)[5] |
Effective firing range | Sights set for 50 m (55 yd) |
Maximum firing range | 55 yards (50 m)[6] |
Feed system | 8-round magazine |
Sights | Rear notch and front blade post |
The Walther P38 (originally written Walther P.38) is a 9 mmsemi-automatic pistol that was developed by Carl Walther GmbH as the service pistol of the Wehrmacht at the beginning of World War II. It was intended to replace the costly Luger P08, the production of which was scheduled to end in 1942.
Development[edit]
The first designs submitted to the German Army featured a locked breech and a hidden hammer, but the Heer (German Army) requested that it be redesigned with an external hammer.
The P38 concept was accepted by the German military in 1938 but production of actual prototype ('Test') pistols did not begin until late 1939. Walther began manufacture at their plant in Zella-Mehlis and produced three series of 'Test' pistols, designated by a '0' prefix to the serial number. The third series pistols satisfactorily solved the previous problems for the Heer and mass production began in mid-1940, using Walther's military production identification code '480'. After a few thousand pistols the Heer changed all codes from numbers to letters and Walther was given the 'ac' code.[citation needed]
Several experimental versions were later created in .45 ACP, and .38 Super, but these were never mass-produced. In addition to the 9×19mm Parabellum version, some 7.65×21mm Parabellum and some .22 Long Rifle versions were also manufactured and sold.
Design details[edit]
From an engineering perspective the P38 was a semi-automatic pistol design that introduced technical features that are found in other semi-automatic pistols like the Beretta 92 and its M9 sub-variant adopted by the United States military.
The P38 was the first locked-breech pistol to use a double-action/single-action (DA/SA) trigger (the earlier double-action PPK was an unlocked blowback design, but the more powerful 9×19mm Parabellum round used in the P38 mandated a locked breech design). The shooter could chamber a round, use the safety-decocking lever to safely lower the hammer without firing the round, and carry the weapon loaded. This lever can stay down, keeping the pistol 'on safe' or be immediately returned to the straight position, keeping the weapon safely 'ready' with a double-action trigger pull for the first shot. Pulling the trigger cocks the hammer before firing the first shot with double-action operation. The firing mechanism extracts and ejects the first spent round, cocks the hammer, and chambers a fresh round for single-action operation with each subsequent shot – all features found in many modern day handguns. Besides a DA/SA trigger design similar to that of the earlier Walther PPKs the P38 features a visible and tactile loaded chamber indicator in the form of a metal rod that protrudes out of the top rear end of the slide when a round is present in the chamber.[7]
P38 made by Mauser, coded 'byf 44' with matching presstoff and leather holster
The moving-barrel design mechanism operates by use of a wedge-shaped falling locking block underneath the breech. When the pistol is fired both the barrel and slide recoil for a short distance together, where the locking block drives down, disengaging the slide and arresting further rearward movement of the barrel. The slide however continues its rearward movement on the frame, ejecting the spent case and cocking the hammer before reaching the end of travel. Two return springs located on either side of the frame and below the slide, having been compressed by the slide's rearward movement, drive the slide forward, stripping a new round from the magazine, driving it into the breech and, in the process, re-engaging the barrel; ending its return travel with a fresh round chambered, hammer cocked and ready to repeat the process. The falling locking block design provides good accuracy due to the in-line travel of the barrel and slide.
Initial production P38 pistols were fitted with walnut grips, but these were later supplanted by Bakelite grips.[8]Post war P1 grips were made of sheet metal.
Variants[edit]
The P1 used by the Bundeswehr
The Walther P38 was in production from 1939 to 1945.[9] After the war from 1945-1946, several thousands of pistols were assembled for the French armed forces[2](frequently dubbed 'grey ghosts' because of parkerized finish and grey sheet metal grips). Only after 1957 was the P38 again produced for the German military. Slowly over time, West Germany desired to rebuild its military so that it could shoulder some of the burden for its own defense. Walther retooled for new P38 production since no military firearms production had occurred in West Germany since the end of the war, knowing that the military would again seek Walther firearms. When the Bundeswehr announced it wanted the P38 for its official service pistol, Walther readily resumed P38 production within just two years, using wartime pistols as models and new engineering drawings and machine tools. The first of the new P38s were delivered to the West German military in June 1957, some 17 years and two months after the pistol had initially seen action in World War II, and from 1957 to 1963 the P38 was again the standard sidearm.
In late 1963 the postwar military model P1 was adopted for use by the German military, identifiable by the P1 stamping on the slide. The postwar pistols, whether marked as P38 or P1, have an aluminum frame rather than the steel frame of the original design. Starting in June 1975, the aluminum frame was reinforced with a hex bolt above the trigger guard.During the 1990s the German military started replacing the P1 with the P8 pistol and finally phased out the P1 in 2004.
An improved version of the P38, the Walther P4, was developed in the late 1970s and was adopted by the police forces of South Africa, Rhineland-Palatinate and Baden-Württemberg.
Users[edit]
- Afghanistan: Afghan National Police received 10,000 P1s after the fall of the Talibans[10]
- Algeria[11]
- Argentina (trial purposes)[12]
- Austria[13]
- Canada: Used by the prisoner transport services of the Correctional Service Canada until the late 1980's. P1 Variant
- Chad: P1 variant.[13]
- Chile: Chilean Army.[14]
- Independent State of Croatia[15]
- East Germany: Used primarily by police and paramilitary.[16]
- Finland: Finnish UN peacekeeping forces, P1 variant.[17]
- France: Replaced by the mid-1950s.[1]
- Germany: P1 variant.[13]
- Hungary[15]
- Italy[15]
- Iraq: Iraqi Kurdistan received 8,000 P1 pistols in 2014[18]
- Japan[15]
- Kazakhstan - at least up to 2007 were used as service pistol in private security companies[19]
- Lebanon[13]
- North Macedonia: P1 variant.[13]
- Mozambique[13]
- Nazi Germany[14]
- North Korea[citation needed]
- North Vietnam[3]
- Norway: Norwegian Armed Forces.[20] Replaced by the P80 in 1985[21]
- Pakistan:Used by Pakistan Navy and Pakistan Army Medical Corps. In small numbers purchased from West Germany
- Portugal: Portuguese Army.[14]
- South Africa: Standard sidearm of SA Police.[22]
- Sweden: HP variant.[23]
- West Germany[14]
- Yugoslav Partisans[24]
Trivia[edit]
The original design for the Transformers character Megatron allowed him to assume the appearance of the P38. The United States deemed it illegal due to the barrel not having an orange tip, making it hard to differentiate from the actual firearm. Australia also outlaws the toy from import for similar reasons.
References[edit]
- ^ abcBishop, Chris. Guns in Combat. Chartwell Books, Inc (1998). ISBN0-7858-0844-2.
- ^ abc'L'armement français en A.F.N.'Gazette des Armes (in French). No. 220. March 1992. pp. 12–16.
- ^ ab'WWII German weapons during the Vietnam War'. 10 July 2015.
- ^Weapons of World War II by Alexander Ludeke
- ^Weapons of World War II by Alexander Ludeke
- ^Weapons of World War II by Alexander Ludeke
- ^Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, Ian Hogg, John Weeks
- ^'P38 - 9mm semi-automatic pistol - history & development of the weapon'. Hellcat Patriots' Rifle Club. Retrieved 2009-04-16.
- ^'Walther Military P.38 Production Dates'(PDF).
- ^Bhatia, Michael Vinai; Sedra, Mark (May 2008). Small Arms Survey (ed.). Afghanistan, Arms and Conflict: Armed Groups, Disarmament and Security in a Post-War Society. Routledge. p. 170. ISBN978-0-415-45308-0.
- ^'World Infantry Weapons: Algeria'. 2015. Archived from the original on 24 November 2016.
- ^Julio S. Guzmán, Las Armas Modernas de Infantería, Abril de 1953
- ^ abcdefJones, Richard D. Jane's Infantry Weapons 2009/2010. Jane's Information Group; 35 edition (January 27, 2009). ISBN978-0-7106-2869-5.
- ^ abcdDiez, Octavio (2000). Armament and Technology. Lema Publications, S.L. ISBN84-8463-013-7.
- ^ abcdScarlata, Paul (10 March 2013). 'Evolution of the Modern Military Pistol'. Shotgun News.
- ^http://p-38.info/eg/index.htm
- ^Hyytinen, Timo (2002). Arma Fennica II Military Weapons. Gummerus Oy, Inc. ISBN951-99887-0-X.
- ^Small Arms Survey (2015). 'Trade Update: After the 'Arab Spring''(PDF). Small Arms Survey 2015: weapons and the world(PDF). Cambridge University Press. p. 110.
- ^Постановление Правительства Республики Казахстан № 1305 от 28 декабря 2006 года 'Об утверждении Государственного кадастра гражданского и служебного оружия и патронов к нему на 2007 год'
- ^Marchington, James (2004). The Encyclopedia of Handheld Weapons. Lewis International, Inc. ISBN1-930983-14-X.
- ^'P80 - Pistol'. Retrieved May 28, 2014.
- ^Helmoed-Romer, Heitman (1991). Modern African Wars (3): South-West Africa. Osprey Publishing. ISBN185532122X.
- ^Reichert, Orv. 'P.38 variations'. Pistole38.nl. Retrieved November 23, 2012.
- ^Scarlata, Paul (1 October 2017). 'Yugoslav Part II: World War II small arms: an assortment of small arms from friends and foe alike'. Firearms News.
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